Cops Bust Four Prom Attendees

Four Doylestown teens were cited for drinking by Northampton police Friday night.

Four students were cited by Northampton police for liquor law violations Friday evening at the school’s prom.

Officials working the senior prom noticed four attendees smelled of alcoholic beverages, police said. The officials alerted a Northampton police officer who was working a security detail at . Upon investigation, the officer discovered the four had been drinking.

Eighteen-year-olds Sean Andris, Morgan Kunkle, Christopher Schneekloth and a 17-year-old female were all cited for liquor law violations, police said. All four teenagers cited are residents of Doylestown.

Mike May 03, 2012 at 08:28 AM
OMG. Leave these students alone. And why does Patch have to publish the 18 year-old student's names?? What PURPOSE does that serve? Were all of those reading this perfect while in HS? NONE of you had a beer or a wine-spritzer? Please, just STOP this police state nonsense. I could understand if they were driving or were sloppy drunk. But even at that, publishing their names???? Great move. Those who live in glass houses....
Jeff Lugar May 03, 2012 at 10:49 AM
That I've ever seen/heard, names of arrestees are given for all 18 or over, in all media stories, print, TV, or radio. There's nothing odd or unfair about this. (except maybe the people in charge not letting things slide a bit since it was prom, perhaps)
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 11:18 AM
I agree Mike. In the grand scheme of things this is a minor violation. While no they can't just be let off the hook publishing their names serves no purpose. I would hope the arrest and total disruption of their night is enough to wake them up to the fact that underage drinking is illegal. But there is one aspect you do need to keep in mind Mike, the police don't make the laws, they just enforce them. State and county legislation and prosecutor's offices are the enities who mandate arrests. Generally the police have little latitude in the matter. Which is a shame, often a problem can be resolved without courts or handcuffs.
J May 03, 2012 at 12:45 PM
This is amazing to me! Parents conding underage drinking which as we know is illegal for one and harmful to the child two, more of these stories and names should be published it could the start of addressing the serious problems the teenagers in Bucks County have with drugs and alcohol.
Tom Sofield May 03, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Mike - This is a police brief and Northampton Patch publish the names of ALL adults (18 or older) cited or arrested as distributed by township police.
Tim May 03, 2012 at 01:00 PM
It is a little naive to say that police just enforce the laws. They have tremendous latitude. I can't count the number of times I read about people getting arrested for the most minor of violations, and very often people are arrested for simply annoying the police (aka "disordely conduct" or something similar). Most reasonable people would feel that the police should just use common sense and just resolve the situation through discussion, not handcuffs. On the other side of the coin do you see police stopping everyone driving over the speed limit? Of course not. It is impractical for the police to arrest everyone for breaking every single law on the books.
Tim May 03, 2012 at 01:16 PM
Huh? Who said the parents condoned this drinking?
J May 03, 2012 at 01:43 PM
Tim, after reading Mike's comment I was enraged. As a parent of two CRHS students I have had numerous experiences with my teens calling me to say a parent wasn't home when they were invited over and/or that they not only "condoned" drinking but also allowed the teenagers to smoke "fill in the blanks" while they were present. I guess I have a real issue with the parenting skills of the adults in Bucks County. I would like my children to grow up to be mature responsible adults and at the same time to enjoy their teenage years, however, there are not many teenagers who are not practicing listening to LIl Wayne, Drake smoking a *** and drinking in our area. I am not impressed and would like nothing more than to move out once they finish school.
Tim May 03, 2012 at 02:11 PM
So let me get this straight. Because of the behavior of OTHER parents and teenagers, whom you will likely not come in contact with as your children get older, you will incur the significant expense and inconvenience of moving to a different area, for which you will have no idea what the behavior is of THOSE people until well after you move in. How much do these people really impact your quality of life? And this is the main determining factor of where you live? Not taxes, traffic, home values, commute distance, cleanliness, etc. I call BS on that one.
LocalFamily May 03, 2012 at 03:31 PM
When school officials witness a crime (and that's what underage drinking is) I don't want them making judgement calls. Let the police and courts do that. Taking these kids out the prom in cuffs sends a powerful message to everyone else in attendance. Good for them for being true to their word and following through on the rules.
ingrid May 03, 2012 at 04:14 PM
I agree with how the police handled this. Possibly these kids will think twice about being so stupid a second time. Imagine the outrage if these kids got behind the wheel of a car and killed someone. Better to stop them in their tracks before innocent people lives could be permanently altered. They should spend a few night in jail and be required to do an extensive community service. This way they will be too tired to get drunk. It is ashame that they weren't worried about the consequences they faced when their parents found out if any consequences even applied.
J May 03, 2012 at 04:14 PM
Thanks LocalFamily I wholeheartedly agree, the youth of today need messages delivered. Rules will be enforced and laws can't be broken. Tim, Yes I would move due to the culture of the community. I think the township, the schools and the parents have a "who cares" attitude about the rampant and significant issues regarding drug and alcohol use in the area and a "lets sweep it under the rug mentality". I am sorry I didn't research CRSD more before purchasing a home in the district. You ask how much do they impact the quality of my life? Greatly, they are slowly changing the demographics of the area. I shall say that I feel I am in a suburb on Philly on a daily basis which is only going to further reduce home valuation in the future. If more children are placed into rehab, juvi, have ARD and probation I am sure the home values will reduce significantly.
Jeff Lugar May 03, 2012 at 04:29 PM
Maybe these thing wouldn't happen if we didn't have such stupidly Puritanical alcohol laws and didn't keep it out of reach until a few years into adulthood. You can count the number of countries with a 21 drinking age on one hand, and the ones where it's over 18 on two. Stop making it so forbidden and kids won't be so desperate to get hold of it.
J May 03, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Jeff your point would make sense if we didnt have this problem starting with our 12 and 13 year olds in Middle School/Jr High. It isn't forbidden in my neighborhood, the parents think it is fine and actually allow them to drink freely as long as they aren't driving. Studies have proven that alcohol can significantly damage a brain which is not fully developed until the age of 25. Studies also show that children can't make proper decisions either. 13 to 18 year olds should be spending their time more wisely. I think it is very difficult to raise a child into adulthood today. My husband and I try to do things as a family such as the shore, dining out, vacations at all inclusives, take them to appropriate concerts etc. We try to be actively involved in their lives even from a slight distance so the need for attention isn't so great to be popular by drinking, rapping, smoking and having sex. I think too many teenagers are latchkey kids today in both the inner city and suburbia.
Krby May 03, 2012 at 05:28 PM
Teenagers haven't changed much in the last couple decades. Every older generation feels the same thing about what teenagers do. Even in the 1950's people thought teenagers were ruining society and their god awful rock and roll. Teenagers back then did the SAME thing as they do today! It's also easy to look at other people as bad parents when you have a two parent household and money if you can do all the family things you say. Go live out in the middle of no where then because no matter what town or county you live in you will not find any difference.
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Ask a cop just how much leeway he/she has in finding an alternative solution to a problem. What they tend to have is arrest/cite or not. There just isn't much inbetween anymore. DA's are making those rules, the police have to abide. The problem, as I understand it, is twofold. Lawsuits for failing to arrest/cite someone who soon after the encounter went off and did something stupid again and legislators, spurred by consitituents to "do something". So some laws that previously had a bit of wiggle room for the responding office to excersize judgement now reguires an arrest/cite. Case in point, personal marijuana use. Was a time when if caught say, sitting by the creek you walked to, fishing and bothering no one while smoking the cop had the ability to do nothing or at most give a disorderly conduct cite. But be a jerk about it or do it where kids were close by and they could make a statement about discretion for you to think about (arrest). By order of the Bucks Co. D.A. Office they must now arrest/cite for any and all violations. Even in your own house. That is rediculous and a "crime" that doesn't warrant an arrest. And no, I am not a pot smoker. I worked for a local PD when that DA ruling came down.
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 07:56 PM
Yep, some people are arrested for trivial things. Most of the time a Yes Sir/Maam, or I'm sorry would have been enough but no....someone in violation of the law, even a stupid one, has to make a jerk out of themselves, act with disrespect and in general make the situation much harder than it had to be. Click......when they could have walked. It's that simple. If your gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough. Act like a fool when engaged with police and it just may go badly. Man up, act with respectfulness and things can be a lot easier. Or as I used to say to my kids, "Easy way or hard way, either way you're/we're/I'm doing this."
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 08:01 PM
Well there is one we can easily see eye to eye on Tim....I don't see anywhere in the article stating parental consent to kids drinking. Sure, we all know it happens but nothing indicates that in this situation.
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 08:07 PM
Myself, I don't have an issue with the arrest, it was the right thing to do under the circumstances. Can we imagine had no arrest been made and later one of the kids did something horribly, tragically stupid? What I do take issue with is the names being reported as they were. Ok, stupid kids playing stupid kid games.....which of us haven't? Why cause the embarassment to the families and kids for this? Being arrested on such a big night isn't enough.....they have to have their names dragged out for all to see? I want to know the names and whereabout of criminals, not kids testing the same envelope almost everyone of us tested.
Tom Sofield May 03, 2012 at 08:20 PM
Jeff has brought up a very interesting point. Do you think the the drinking age should be lowered to 18?
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 08:28 PM
I disagree. After having 4 kids in CR district I can say that in general parents have had issues with drug/alcohol use. Of course, I'll give you credit towards the "Not my kids" attitude or the too rampant impulse to hire a lawyer to get out of trouble instead of letting the kids take their lumps for being stupid. My own thinking is it's better the kids take the hit before 18 and figure out that some things are best left undone rather than after 18 when the full force of the law....and permement records....comes into play. But as Tim has stated, do you really think your going to find somewhere this problem doesn't exist? Mayberry is a myth and what your seeing is how it is everywhere. You may even find the issue is greater in other places. As I see it the best you can do is protect, and discipline, your own according to your own morals and tactics. Life is full of winners and losers. Some of the kids your concerned with are already doomed to an unhappy life from spoilage by their parents. It's not our problem and there is nothing we can do. I raised mine and that is all I can do, other than make sure the kids coming here understand my rules and respect my home.
Eric S May 03, 2012 at 08:30 PM
Let's examine that look at things. We can use France, where drinking is common at a young age. Hmmmm....one of the highest rates of alcoholism too. I wonder why?
J May 03, 2012 at 10:32 PM
I dont agree with you Krby it is your attitude along with the others above that prove my point, Bucks County is a problem. I haven't seen one person post that there is a problem with the teenagers in this area that needs to be addressed. What a shame, citings of how it was 30 years ago etc do not make things right today, nor is it an excuse nor was every child a rock n roll pot smoking freak. Maybe just you.
Krby May 03, 2012 at 11:26 PM
J- Wow....you don't even know me (you have no clue how old I am) so to make accusations like that is being a hypocrite. I've never touched drugs. My family used to have a lot of money...then we became really poor. We lived in what people in CB think is a poor part of town. In high school one girl said (w/o knowing I lived there) "I wouldn't be caught dead there ugh". Even though I lived there, I never touched drugs. I had a parent who let us do whatever we wanted...yes a "BAD" parent. And you know what? I never did drugs. I drank a couple times after the age of 17 like 99% of people. I know a couple people who had parents who were really strict which just made them want to rebel way more than I did. I went onto college and work with kids doing early intervention. Maybe just me? You have no clue what the world is like. You can blame parents of Bucks county all you want. There are far more worse things to worry about than teenagers (who were adults) drinking a little bit before prom. I think one problem I have is in some parts of Bucks County are the people who think they are better than others and despise Philadelphia / suburbs even though there are people who live there that have a better understanding of society and appreciate things more. Have a good night.
Jeff Lugar May 04, 2012 at 10:35 AM
J-I'm not suggesting letting kids get drunk as an everyday part of life, but having a lower age limit and having a small glass of wine or beer be just a regular, non-eventful, non-demonized part of dining would go a long way towards no longer making it coveted merely because it's forbidden, and hence naughty.
Nancy Frazier May 04, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Plan to break the rules - plan to suffer the consequences. True for teens and adults.
Lynn May 04, 2012 at 01:10 PM
I have to agree with J. I am appalled by the lack of concern most parents have regarding underage drinking. I too have thought of moving out of Council Rock, and yes it is significantly worse here than in surrounding communities. My 11th grader went to an after-prom party last weekend where drinking was allowed by the host parents. While they did ask everyone to sign in and confiscated their keys, this still sends the message that it's okay to break the law as long as you don't get caught. This is unfortunately the norm rather than the exception. While most of us probably drank before we were of legal age, that doesn't mean we need to make it easy for our kids to do the same. Teens are not mini adults and their brains are not developed enough to handle the effects of alcohol. Studies show they are more likely to engage in risky sexual behaviors when drinking, and an unplanned pregnancy can change the entire course of one's life. Early use of alcohol has also been tied to alcohol dependence later in life. And the sobering statistics regarding teen traffic fatalities and alcohol use cannot be ignored. We all want our kids to grow up happy, healthy and safe, but I do think many parents in our area fail to see how alcohol use can derail those plans.
Don Talenti May 04, 2012 at 01:31 PM
We don't allow our kids today to be kids, and to make the mistakes EVERYONE makes when they are growing up. Their brains are still developing, yet we hold them to adult standards. Whatever happened to having the school and the parents decide what to do? It used to be that for a case like this, the school officials would call the parents to get the kids, and they would receive detention or suspension. Not to mention dealing with the parents at home. Why ruin their life, and overly traumatize them, by involving the criminal justice system over minor issues? I am SO tired of the nanny state mentality where every little thing is a state issue. We have become a society of prissy hypocrites.
Tim May 04, 2012 at 01:39 PM
Eric: That's really a scientific study you've got there. Do you know if the two are related? And if so are they just coincidental, or is there causation? There is a myriad of other factors at play, the most notable being high unemployment. Who knows, maybe it's the 35 hour work week - lots of spare time for drinking. All I'm saying is you throw around some stats that try to prove a point and you just end up looking foolish.
J May 07, 2012 at 07:50 PM
Lynn I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts. I am a Mother and a Step-Mother. Unfortunately the oldest is my husbands child and I did not get involved with the decisions he made for his child. I did have many arguments over how liberally he was with the rules and for trusting everything the child said; ultimately I was correct in my analysis. Allowing this child to have his freedom, lack of curfews or proper discipline or making the child conform to any rules and/or checking on his whereabouts or his friends has not served him well. He is a disrespectful, selfish, spoiled rotten brat who is almost 20 years old and has dropped out of County College, ruined 3 cars and has not bought one on his own since he ruined the 3 cheapies we purchased along the way and works a few hours a week. Smokes alot, drinks some, listen to rap and finally I put my foot down. My husband never witnessed the childs behavior however plenty of people told him about it and first sign alienating the family and never bringing friend to our home where a parent is always present and not liberal. Finally said child moved out 1/2 way (things still in his bedroom), because I told my husband and the child he goes or I sell and move (house in my name). I had no choice we have two children left in the home and CRSD who are doing well and I might add excellent since this child is out of our home. I am a witness to what liberal trusting being a childs friend parenting can do.


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