Bucks County Commissioner Might Need New ID to Vote
Bucks County Commissioner Diane Ellis-Marseglia’ s has a flawed driver's license that could keep her from voting this fall. Are you on the list?
Bucks County Commissioner Diane Ellis-Marseglia may not be able to use a voting booth in the November elections thanks to the state’s new voter ID law, which is perhaps the most strict in the entire country.
The problem is Ellis-Marseglia’s name on her voter registration does not match the name on her driver’s license. "In my case, it is an issue of a driver's license without a middle initial," she said in an email.
Her driver's license lists her full name as "Diane Marseglia," but her voter registration reads " Diane M. E. Marseglia."
The disparity in Ellis-Marseglia's names caught the attention of Pennsylvania's Department of State, which notified her in an advisory letter two weeks ago, "along with District Attorney Heckler, Representative Gene DiGirolomo and others," she said.
Under the new law, she may need to correct that name disparity, or use a different form of acceptable ID that matches her voter registration. The list was generated by cross referencing the data from the DMV with voter registration, and that kicked out a list of names with conflicting IDs.
It's unlikely, however, that everyone on that list will have trouble voting in November, Ron Ruman, spokesman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, told The Morning Call. But some voters won't have acceptable ID, and that's why the notification letters were sent.
"If they turn me down, to vote, on Election Day," she said, "I will simply request and use a provisional ballot."
But Ellis-Marseglia, a Democrat, doesn't think it will get that far.
"I assume the law will be overturned," she said. "The Voter ID law is a joke and a huge, enormous waste of human resources and money. At a time when we have so many important things to deal with, we have legislators, a Governor, and a Lt. Governor rushing through laws they never vetted. And, as Senator Turzai indicated: [it's] is all about disenfranchising those who are least likely to have a picture ID because they are most likely to vote for President Obama."
In March, Pennsylvania passed the law requiring all registered voters to show an “acceptable” photo ID before voting. This is one of the strictest voter ID laws in the nation. Voter advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the NAACP, challenged the new requirement in court.
The decision on that case could be released as early as today.
If upheld, Ellis-Marseglia could be joined by more than 750,000 Pennsylvania voters, 69,000 in Bucks and Montgomery Counties, who may not be able to vote in November unless the take action to obtain acceptable identification.
Are you on the list?
Did you get a letter explaining your driver's license is not a valid ID for voting? What will you do about it? Is it fair, or no big deal?
Mike Augustin
9:51 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
If the folks without proper ID were mostly Republicans, I don't think Democrats would have any issue with the Voter ID laws.
Just my humble opinion.
Kate
1:31 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
First off, you are admitting that these laws mostly affect Democrats.
Secondly, you point out one of the big differences between someone like me and someone like you. I, a registered democrat, WOULD have an issue with the Voter ID laws even if they targeted Republicans.
You see, you are a citizen of this country, and I am a citizen of this country before any political party or ideology comes in. At least, that's they way I look at it.
I used to be a registered republican - but the party left me. If he were alive today, Ike would not be a republican. Just take a look at the 1956 GOP Platform.
Nadia
11:27 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
that's correct...because this law is meant to garner more votes for Republicans, or you might say less votes for Democrats.
Mike Augustin
4:14 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
RE: "because this law is meant to garner more votes for Republicans"...
If they don't have the proper ID to vote, no party will "garner more votes". I agree that less votes will be for Democrats if it is Democrats who are more challenged obtaining proper ID. DId you know that you have to show an ID to gain entry to "The Late Show" with David Letterman? Why not require an ID to vote?
Concerned Citizen
9:43 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
By that logic then, Mike, why not require any person to have proper IDs and background check clearance before they can buy a gun and why not require everyone to have health insurance and carry a card to prove it? Do you agree with that?
The bigger issue and important issue is to ask WHY are these laws put into place?
Voter ID - to reduce Democratic voter effective turnout and skew the election toward Republicans
Gun Laws - to help reduce ability of criminals, the mentally unstable, and those contemplating an imminent crime to get their hands on guns
Health Insurance requirement - to reduce the overall long-term cost of health care for the country and assure we have a more competitive workforce now and in the future by giving healthcare access to all (this is obviously simplified, but the point is the reasons are founded in improving the conditions in our country for all).
Barney Sloan
12:50 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
My wife has always signed her name and used just a middle initial. The state police examiner back in 1984 when we moved here made her use her whole middle name. Does this mean she cannot vote. TSA accepts the license with the middle name even when she does not use the initial on her ticket. Most airlines cannot put the Jr. after my name even though it is is on my ID. Also all passports spell out the middle name, my voter registration only has an initial which is how most people sign their names. Those this mean all people who use a passport for ID cannot vote. I will use my passport just to make a stick and a possilbe civil rights case about losing my right to vote. Oh and I am a registered Republican we need to stop the police state "ver(were) are your papers?"
Barney Sloan
1:00 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I just got off the phone with the Bucks County Board of Elections and they said the story is so wrong it is going to cause a lot of problems. They can accept substantially common names such as a middle initial, a missing middle initial, Frank instead of Francis etc. However there are other issues read the article in Sundays Philadelphia Inquirer about a lawyer who does not drive was a D.A. but has an error in the spelling of her name an cannot get a social security card without an I.D. to make the correction. It is a real cluster F**K
Clare Finkel
5:28 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
The problem with "substantially common names," is that it is left to the discretion of the person at the polling place. I was thinking of signing up for that but then thought, what if I goofed. I believe there is a fine if a poll worker messes up.
Also, the law is being tweaked all the time, usually for the better, but it is hard to keep up.
The Illuminati
4:22 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
So...you have to show ID to get into a rated R movie, purchase alcohol, purchase a car, etc. But voting...eh we will take your word for it?! I don't think so. Republicans support voter ID because we have nothing to hide.
Barney Sloan
9:50 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I am a Republican and made a comment about how my ID and my wife's may not be valid per the story in todays paper. Our drivers licences and passports spell out our names fully while we both registered using only middle initials. If a passport is not good enough what will be. How will people who were born down south in a house get an ID. Read yesterdays Philadelphia Inquirer about former district attorney who cannot get an ID because her name was changed by accident years ago and she does not have a drivers license or anything that shows her proper name spelled correctly. Six months is not long enough to provide proper identification to people after 236 years of not needing an ID.
Tired of Hypocrisy
5:18 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Why does this Voter ID law just affect Democrats? Why are they the only ones without ID's? This all seems to be much ado about nothing. If you are Democrat or Replican, get a valid ID. My goodness, how do the people get Food Stamps, Welfare, Medicare, etc., without proper and valid I.D?
Barney Sloan
9:50 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I am a Republican and made a comment about how my ID and my wife's may not be valid per the story in todays paper. Our drivers licences and passports spell out our names fully while we both registered using only middle initials. If a passport is not good enough what will be. How will people who were born down south in a house get an ID. Read yesterdays Philadelphia Inquirer about former district attorney who cannot get an ID because her name was changed by accident years ago and she does not have a drivers license or anything that shows her proper name spelled correctly. Six months is not long enough to provide proper identification to people after 236 years of not needing an ID.
Mike Lavanga
2:19 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
This law is an absolute joke and a power grab by the GOP. Let's hope Commonwealth Court sees this and overturns this law.
Susan Busch
8:49 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
The ID will only prevent one type of fraud - in-person misrepresentation, Know how many cases of that we've seen in PA? 0.00 Oh, I'm sure there are tons of illegals chomping at the bit to vote illegally, risking deportation or imprisonment:) However, at a time when folks are out of work and the economy is still in recovery, does it make sense to spend millions to enforce a law which, as Mike Turzai says, will hand PA to Mitt Romney? It's a costly solution to a nonexistent problem. It is unconstitutional. It is an embarassment.
Musicfan
9:30 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I am not against voter ID if it is a National not State mandate. Not fair for someone to be "allowed" to vote without ID in one state, but needs ID to vote in another. If someone needs to pay to get a form of ID, as some seniors who don't drive, then that is akin to a poll tax and is unconstitutional via the 24th Amendment! As it stands now, I believe this law in PA is unconstitutional!
Barney Sloan
9:33 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
By the way you do not need an id to get an absentee ballet which is where the fraud issue really exists.
Robert Fiorentino
10:46 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
If the government A) Made it EASY to get an ID and B) Made it FREE then this MIGHT be ok, if they also didn't throw this together primarily in SWING STATES and oh yeah A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION. Since none of these things are true, it smells fishy to me. Republicans aren't trying to do what's right, they're trying to eek any advantage they can to win the election. If you don't see that then there's something really wrong with your head.
matplus
12:20 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Why didn't the legislators grandfather in all the current registered voters and let the new voters get the proper ID. This would solve all the near-term panic and cost,
jan vogel-manz
1:24 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
What is the big deal? You have to show photo ID for some purchases with a credit card, at the airport, at the doctor's office and many other venues. The Bucks county Commisioner can get her voter registration updated to match her drivers license, passport and LCB card (LOL remember them?). I don't care what party you are from, I would think Americans would be happy to have a voter ID requirement to keep the elections on the up and up and keep the people who try to defraud the system from voting illegally and vote more than once. Why is it that Democrats are fighting this? Do they encourage illegal voting?? I think everyone from every political party or independents would be thrilled to have this requirement in place!
Nick
2:07 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Jan, respectfully, voting is a right, not a shopping trip or entertainment. Putting obstacles in front of law abiding citizens when they attempt to vote it both un Constitutional and un American.
The PA Republican Party has already stipulated in court filings that they have no evidence of voter fraud in PA or anywhere else that this law would in fact stop.
What this law does do is make it harder for people to vote - those most affected would be poor, students, minorities, and the elderly.
It may appear on the surface to be common sense - asking people to show state approved photo ID when voting. Critical thinking and analysis, however, reveals it to be a thinly vieled attempt by Republican leadership to suppress likely Democratic voters.
Regardless fo your party affiliation you should find this offensive. it is our duty as Americans to safeguard each others rights.
Mike Thomas
2:08 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Robert - you can get a free ID if you need one for voting - Here's the link on how to get it: http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml. I'm not sure why everyone is upset, you need an ID for just about everything of little importance, so why wouldn't you want to show ID for something that can change the course of history? As for absentee ballots and no ID, I think that should be the next thing that they go after.
Nick
4:28 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Mike why fix something that isn't broken? There is no evidence of voter fraud. ZERO. Admit what it is. It is a move by the Republican party to suppress legitimate vote. As an American this should offend you.
Barney Sloan
10:43 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
The issue is that people born down south more than 40 years ago especially blacks were not born in hospitals and do not have birth certificates. Also there are people with errors in their existing IDs and Penn Dot is giving them a hard time about updating this information. Some states are allowing affidavids to prove who you are not Pennsylvania. Six months is not long enough to catch up with everyone and some states require you to appear in person to get a birth certificate hard for the poor! Looking forward to showing my US Passport which uses my full name and my registration 40 year old voter registration uses an abbreviated version of my middle name. It is up to the polling officers to decide if it is close enough to allow me to vote. Too vague for me. Oh I am a registered Republican and the constitution does not call for an ID to vote.
jan vogel-manz
2:56 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I do not vote party lines, I vote issues and this to me is a no brainer, showing ID does not take anyone's right or privilege to vote as a citizen. All the more it not being shopping or traveling (other than for national security) that we should prove we are American citizens exercising our constitutional right and privilege to vote. And yes, there is proof of voter fraud, otherwise they wouldn't institute it. Voter ID does not benefit the Republicans, or any other party, it makes it more accurate and responsible voter group. People have to register to vote, they have since I have been voting and no one complains a bout that. You have to vote in a specific voting place, you just can't walk off the street and vote anywhere you want. You have to have some parameters. I only see Democrats complaining about this. They have given plenty of notice that they were going to implement this. I gladly showed my ID when I voted in the primaries.
Nick
4:22 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
"And yes, there is proof of voter fraud, otherwise they wouldn't institute it."
Jan, did you do any research on this? The state of PA, in a July 24 court filing, stipulated (that means admitted as fact) that they can present no evidence of voter fraud. How much more wrong can you be?
"I only see Democrats complaining about this."
I could just as easily say "I only see Republicans supporting this." The comment is meaningless.
Again, there is no need for this law. It only serves one purpose. To help Mitt Romney win PA in November. Democracy be damned.
K & C Floorcovering, Inc.
3:46 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Most proper, upstanding people have a form of ID that is acceptable. John Wayne is credited with saying "Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid." Trying to get through day-to-day life without ID is just plain stupid, as is defending the position that requiring ID to vote gives one political party an advantage over another. That is, unless one party tends to attract more stupid people than the other....
Nick
4:26 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
"Most proper, upstanding people have a form of ID that is acceptable."
Apparently not. Depending on who you believe, anywhere from 400K to 1MM legitimate PA voters don't have the required ID. That is at least 400K who may have their right to vote denied.
Try pulling your head out of your keister and realizing everyone not everyone is required to live as you do. Someone not choosing to have "proper ID" by your definition does not mean they should be denied their right to vote.
K & C Floorcovering, Inc.
5:04 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
No one is required to live as I do, or any other way, for that matter. Any person who votes on a regular basis is recognized when entering by the people running the voting center as a neighbor, friend, store owner, etc.
by your response I can glean your party affiliation.
jan vogel-manz
6:10 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
These comments are so partisan. Poor democrats; because having proper ID,the republicans will win. How ridiculous! It then looks like the republicans want things done honest, democrats want things so anyone could vote, legal or illegal. Political parties do not dictate how I vote. I vote my conscience, by my morals and principles that this country was founded on. End of my discussion.
Nick
8:45 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Jan, it is clear you are part of the problem, not part of the answer. Best of luck to you in life. I hope your right to vote is always protected.
Tired of Hypocrisy
4:13 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
The reasoning that some were "Born down South...no birth certificate" does not compute. My father, aunts & uncles were all born at home, no birth certificates (in the 1920's) but obtained them, along with SS numbers, drivers licenses, etc as the came of age. If they were able to do it, why aren't the ones born in the South able to? How do they pay taxes, receive medicare, medicaid, welfare, etc., if not properly documented? Alas, I guess anyone born in the South is a Democrat, interesting. My mothers family came from another country via Ellis Island, all born in their family home and they all have Birth Certificates. If the Southern people were too lazy all these years later not to obtain one, consequence to their laziness, no voting. As for middle initials vs middle names, easy fix & no ones fault but the ones who use various names for different ID's. If there is a spelling mistake, should be corrected immediately, it is not difficult.
Barney Sloan
7:31 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Read the Philadelphia Inquirer story about a former District Attorney who has been trying to correct her name for three months but is in a catch 22 since every government agency she has approached is asking for an ID with her name spelled correctly to give her the documentation she needs to get a proper ID. Everyone who says this is easy has never had to deal with the government bureaucrats who only know how to follow a script and cannot think for themselves. Example I was not allowed to board a flight in Florida because my ID said Jr. and the airline's programs could not add the Jr. to my name which security knew at the time. It took three hours and two missed flights to finally get through security according to Delta they went through this issue everyday at the Ft. Lauderdale FL airport before the TSA took over ID reviews from the airport police. So don't tell me it is easy to get an ID. Also if you are poor and cannot afford to fly to Alabama to get your birth certificate Oh you can't fly because you don't have an ID so drive Oh you do not have a drivers license so you can.t drive. Take a bus but you cannot affored the fare. So tell me how easy it is to get your ID. How about dirving these people to Alabama if you know it all. My passport has my middle name spelled out but I am not registered with it spelled out I bet I have trouble voting even though it is a similar name.